Ep. 4 - Gut Health: the key to overcoming hashimoto's and more with kylie fagnano

February 21st, 2022

Understanding our Gut Health

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We’re human beings. We want to be loved. We want to be cared for. We want to heal.

You don’t eat well. You can’t heal by yourself. You can’t do very much at anything by yourself. You know it’s not reasonable. And we all have been there, we’ve all tried, we’ve all warmed to ourselves that we were going to do it. I’m going to do this thing. I’m going to do it. I haven’t done a darn thing in my life that’s worth talking about on my own, not one thing. There’s always been support. There’s always been guidance. There’s always been somebody there looking out for me or a safety net or somebody who care in it, right? That’s what this is about. It’s just as much a part of the healing process. I’m doing a stool sample test and a gluten-free diet, you know. It’s just as much a part. You feel like you are a part of something. You feel like you belong. Whether you belong with one person or with a group [00:03:00] of people who are all doing the same thing, I don’t care. That feeling of community. That sense of being invited in to be a part of something.

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Welcome back to the weight loss with hypnosis podcast. My name is Doug Sands, and I’m the hypnotist and the host of the show. And today I enjoined by Kylie from Strata Nutrition. I’m very excited to share this interview with you Because this one was a lot of fun, both for the interview and the post-production to get to re-experience this. What Kylie brings to the table is that she is a registered dietician who is also trained as an integrative and functional nutrition certified practitioner. She is also a certified leap therapist, meaning that she can help you with the emotions behind making those changes in your nutrition. Kylie has personally dealt with audio immune disease, specifically Hashimoto’s disease.

She knows the struggle both as a practitioner and as someone who has faced it herself. Most importantly, Kylie is someone who truly cares about helping people. [00:05:00] It’s very clear, and I know you’re going to see that both in her words and in her overall demeanor in this interview.

 And by that, I mean she doesn’t just have a positive connection with the people she works with. She is willing to say and do the hard things, as well as the easy things to help you make your change. I really encourage you to listen all the way to the end of this episode, because Kylie has a free three day workshop to help with bloating, heartburn and more. And if you’re listening to this after this launches live, you still have time to sign up for this. If you’re listening far into the future, you can also still access this as a saved recording on Kylie’s website. Know that all links will be included in the show notes or in the description if you’re watching on YouTube. Be sure to click the bell and subscribe whatever platform you may be on. And if you’re even curious about what Kylie has in this free course, I encourage you to go check it out. It is free and is absolutely a valuable resource that I definitely will encourage my clients to go check out. With [00:06:00] that, let’s dive right into the interview. 


So my name is Kylie. I’m an integrative and functional registered dietician and I specialize in gut health. I work with a lot of people who have autoimmune diseases and are fighting against themselves with the inflammation that they’re experiencing in their body. Inflammation could come from a variety of different places but essentially, what all of that means is that I work with people through their foods, through supplements and through some lifestyle uhm modifications to really helps their bodies heal themselves. And so when you hear the word integrative and functional, it’s such a buzz word now, but we start hearing it so much, it starts to really lose meaning I think. It’s important to know when you’re hearing that, that’s kind of like a signal to you. This person is going to be looking for [00:07:00] something deeper. They’re going to be looking for what is going on in your body. And they’re going to be putting together all of the different layers and really, really diving in on a personal level looking for the root causes like that’s another buzz word that we hear all the time. But that’s what I do and and I use those methods to help people help themselves, you know? I hear a lot from my clients. Oh my god, what would I have done without you? Thank you so much. And I remind them very quickly, I didn’t do it.

You did it, right? You did it. I helped you figure out the pieces that you had the ID, but you did the work. So anyway, that’s what I do, those are the people that I helped. 

Nice. I think that’s such a powerful point to make is that, with hypnosis, with my work as well, it’s not me making the change at all.

It’s just me helping them with the tools and, giving people agency over their change, I think that’s such a huge distinction. You know, and I love, that you just even kind of went into that because it’s one of the things for me that I feel the most driven [00:08:00] by. When I was going through my own version of what I help people with my autoimmunity, I have got Hashimoto’s and some gut stuff, that obviously are tied into that. I felt alone and I felt really powerless. And that was a new feeling for me, honestly, that was a new experience. Up until that point in my life, I really hadn’t crossed that road at that point. And it was really, really, really challenging.

And so one of the things that I feel really passionate about when I’m working one-on-one with somebody or in a group with people is teaching them. what can I tell you? How can I teach you? What tools can I give you? How can I guide you? So that when we’re done here, we don’t have to come back to this place.

How can I allow you to be in a place where you don’t need me anymore? That’s really, that’s the goal. I don’t want you to need me anymore. To have the tools and be able to do this or yourself mostly because you can. People don’t realize [00:09:00] that, right? I don’t know if you see this in your work, the people don’t realize that they can do it themselves.

They are not helpless. You are not helpless. You’re not destined to having IBS. And that’s just what you have to deal with. And people are told that. I’m sure you see this a lot on your own way and I feel really passionate about explaining to people. That’s full. That’s not the case at all. And I can teach you how that’s not true.

And I love that. I love that. It’s so empowering. Absolutely. You mentioned it a little bit about your own story, about what makes this so such a passionate thing for you. would you mind sharing your story on how you got into this? Yeah, I’d love to, I’d love to. So when I was in school, I always knew I wanted to be in private practice. I wasn’t exactly sure what that all entailed and what that meant and how it was exactly going to look. But I knew that’s where I wanted to end up.

So I got done with school and I started a clinical job and it was fine, it [00:10:00] wasn’t my cup of tea, but it was fine, I was learning stuff. And around that same time I had moved to Maine. So it’s away for my family and my friends and I started with a new doctor. And I felt awful. Like I couldn’t even walk up the steps without… I couldn’t catch my breath.

I was having weird spells where I’ve got really dizzy and it was just awful and you feel anybody who’s listening to this, who’s had anything along these lines, you know, it feels powerless. And quite frankly, you know, it’s terrifying. You’re really out of control in your own body. You feel very betrayed by your own body.

And I got my thyroid checked and it was, long story short, all out of whack. And the answer that was provided to me was, here’s the prescription. This doctor I’m telling you, I’ll never forget this. They handed me a prescription, I was sitting in the office, bawling my eyes out.

Because I just didn’t understand and no explanation [00:11:00] was being offered and they were just typing on their computer like this, not even looking up, not paying in mine, handed me my prescription and off I went, no explanation, no interest in explaining to me like here is the reason why I’m telling you to put this medication in your body for the rest of your life.

And that just was not acceptable for me. It wasn’t what I wanted. And because I was in the field of nutrition, I knew how to, do some research, to figure out what I knew existed. So in other words, what I’m saying is that I was lucky that I knew not to accept that as an answer. Most people don’t and they shouldn’t.

 Why wouldn’t you just take what your doctor is telling you and trust that. That makes sense to do. So thank God, I was in a position where I could really dig in and understand what I was reading and looking at and how to get answers. And when I started doing some nutrition interventions for myself, and really, really dialing in on where [00:12:00] was the inflammation coming from, why was my body attacking itself all of a sudden, how can I take that information and make actions in my life, change things in my life that actually equated to me feeling better. And I saw how powerful it was through my own personal lens and experience. I mean, that was it for me. And then realizing that all of it really is connected back to the gut, and expanding from there really seeing, a person’s life can be changed simply by addressing what’s going on in the gut. I mean, not simply it can be changed incredibly. I see it every single day, right? And so that was it for me. That was it, yeah. That was my story.

That’s such a powerful story. So many things that I’d love to touch on. The first thing that really popped to mind for me personally, in my own journey, I was in that same position where I was just handed a bottle of pills and told, this is going to fix things. For me, it is mental health and that kind of area.

But in this culture, We are so apt to just trust doctors or healthcare professionals at [00:13:00] their word, even if we only see them for five, 10 minutes in a session. And there’s that idea that you just take a pill and that fixes everything. And so I really appreciate that you brought that idea forward to listeners and to bring it forward to your clients as well.

I think that the important thing here, there’s nothing wrong with medication. I’m not saying that I mean, part of what ended up helping me really get to a place where I could have enough space to really do a lot of the deeper healing involves certain medications. There was a place for it.

There really is. However, there are 2 things, one needs to decide what type of care they’re looking for. Some people, for wherever they are in their life, the best option really is just don’t question, take the medication and move on with your life. You know, that’s okay for some people. It wasn’t for me and it’s not for the people that I help.

And I think it’s probably not okay for the people that you help. But, to anybody who’s listening, I don’t want you to feel like you should think that you’re doing something wrong. Maybe that’s perfect for you. [00:14:00] However, if you’re looking to really understand. You know, in the case of auto-immunity, why is my body attacking itself? In the case of mental health, like how can I really gain power over my own mind and body and create the life that I really want to live and know on some level I deserve, right? But, you got to ask questions. You can’t ever take anything at face value. Even my, really trusted doctors, I asked questions. You have to, you can’t, I mean, we give such power to these people, because we don’t know how to question. And why would we? You know, we’re talking really in depth things.

I mean, these are the professionals in the field, but they’re also just people, right? I’m just a human, you’re just a human, We’re all just trying to do our best. We deserve be questioned, we deserve to be able to question without having it be looked at as a form of defiance. And I think that that’s what keeps people from questioning because maybe you’ll be viewed as a difficult patient.

Maybe you’ll be [00:15:00] viewed as a pain in the ass, and maybe you will be, but I mean, at what risk, right. Okay. Exactly, yeah. That’s your health and it’s so important. And looking at your own personal journey and the areas that you now focus on, right? I should say that you address as well. Some of my clients, they have these very specific illnesses and very specific conditions that I’ve never heard about.

And for me, I’d never heard about Hashimoto’s before. And so would you tell me a little bit about, perhaps how you work with that with clients? Just so people with this might have a better idea of your specific approach. Yeah, absolutely. So Hashimoto is very simply an auto-immune disease that attacks the thyroid gland, a little butterfly shaped gland, right. In the front of your throat kind of area. And essentially what happens is the body starts to create what we call antibodies and those anti antibodies attack that particular part of the body, the thyroid. It is extraordinarily common in women in [00:16:00] particular. And something like 90% of women who have hypo thyroidism, that is an underactive thyroid is actually undiagnosed Hashimoto’s. And so that anybody who’s listening to this who perhaps if you’ve been on levothyroxine or some sort of medication for your thyroid for years question what is really going on because maybe you do just have hypothyroidism, it’s totally possible. But if your body is attacking itself, I feel like you deserve to know that because there’s different approaches, right? There are ways to prevent your body from continuing to destroy that gland, and that involves more than just making your blood work looks great. But when we are talking about auto-immunity Doug, we’re talking about the gut and sometimes that connection is hard for people to make. Why when you’re talking about the thyroid or in the case of a lot of your listeners, why when I’m talking about my mental health, why is the person talking to me about my gut? How is that connected? 70% or more of the immune system exist [00:17:00] in the gut, but when we’re talking about auto immunity, that means your immune system is causing these reactions. Your immune system is somehow tagging things incorrectly, so to speak in the body that are causing it to attack something that’s meant to be there because it’s viewing it as a foreign body.

And so, the same happens when we’re talking about mental health. Everybody now has heard about the gut brain connection. Some people now research is even saying that the gut is actually… They started out. The gut is the second brain. Now, some people are saying the gut is actually the first brain, right? And the connection is so incredible.

 I’ll tell you, I never speak to people about, their medications and I don’t make recommendations about coming off of uhm antidepressant, antianxiety medications. It’s not my role, but when I’m working with people on their gut health, they choose to come off of those medications a lot of the time, because there [00:18:00] mind, there brain, the way that they can think, the way that they perceive situations, the way that they handle stress changes so incredibly that they no longer need that extra support from their medication. And a lot of them, I’m sure you get this too. A lot of the people I end up seeing don’t want to be on the medication, that prefer not to be or unable to figure out a way to manage their anxiety for example, without the medication and are thrilled to have a reason to be able to say, oh, I did this thing. I’m going to try coming off of my Medicaid. Well, I feel amazing. I can think clearly when my kid loses their cool, it’s okay. I can wake up in the morning and make breakfast for my family.

I had somebody who, she was just so excited to be able to take her laundry down the stairs to get done. Like she just didn’t have the energy or the mental capacity to be able to fathom doing that, right? These are engaging [00:19:00] things like, we’re not asking for the world here. We’re asking you to be able to wake up and feel vivacious and ready to like deal with totally normal day. We’re not even talking about anything super exciting, but that’s the sort of things that change when we start really, really addressing what is happening with the gut. That is so powerful. I often tell my clients that our brains are like, a super pharmacy. They can produce so many different chemicals at such different rates that’s oftentimes for some people, it is like chemical imbalance, but for so many people who are on antidepressants and other medications like that. It is simply an issue of, changing something in their lifestyle, changing something in their diets, changing how they’re viewing the world, how they’re interacting with their thoughts and things like this.

 Our mind just starts to produce those things naturally. And again, this is not to say it to anyone listening to this, you know, drop your medication. Medication does help. Looking at your process in general, what is your process look like when working with clients?

Yeah. Okay. So [00:20:00] this is important to remember too. The only clients that I see are those who have something going on in the gut. And so I start with a framework and I keep it a little bit broad because there has to be a starting point. And then there’s room for that individual to kind of like really blossom through the process that’s why it’s quite broad. So in my practice, the name of my practice is Strata Nutrition. And it’s named that because it’s really a nod to the layers, like strata the layers of the earth. There’s so many layers of a person’s wellbeing. I know Doug that you see this when you’re doing your work and the people that you’re speaking to right now, you guys, you know there are so many variables and so many different pieces of the puzzle that really has to come into place to undo something, as well as fix it and heal it and put it back together. And so, the protocol that I use in my practice really involves sort of three key steps. The first of which is [00:21:00] really identifying. We need to identify what is in the way, what has to be dealt with. I love this analogy. Remember, when we actually used to go to the mall, right? You would go to like a big, fun mall somewhere. You know where you want to be, right? You want to be able to, for example, wake up and not feel bloated. You don’t want to have heartburn after you eat. You want to be able to wake up and not feel depressed. You, whatever it might be, everybody knows their goal, we know where we’re trying to go. The problem is that if you can’t find that little star on the map that says you are here. And you don’t know where you currently are, even if you have the map, even if you know where you want to go, you can’t do it. That is the first piece of the puzzle for me in my practice. What is in the way?

So a lot of figuring that out involves the person speaking to me. Tell me, talk to me, tell me your story. I want to hear who you are, what do you do? What’s your life like? and then we do some [00:22:00] testing. And that piece is really important for me. I get a look at what foods are causing a problem, where is the inflammation and your food coming from, and what’s going on in the gut? We need a blueprint. We need a starting point. I could help your guests all day long, but you don’t need to pay somebody to help you that, right? You do that enough on your own.

You you do that enough on your own. Let’s get a starting point, but figure out where the barriers are, so the action that we decide to take together, and you really specifically addressing what we’re looking at. So that’s the first point. The second part is the implementation, the actual plan, the action. That piece is quite long and it looks totally different for everybody.

Every single thing I do, I mean, this is the same for you Doug, everything you do is dialed in for a specific person’s needs, right? We’re talking to an individual. We’re not talking to the masses. Like I said, the framework exists. I know I need to identify the problems, help him put into place an action plan and then help them maintain it.

But [00:23:00] what those steps look like inside of that are different for everybody. And so that’s really the fun part for me. As soon as we find more answers, we have more questions. We’re always asking why. Okay, you have heartburn. Why? Well it’s because you’re low stomach acid. Why? Oh, maybe you have an H. Pylori Infection.

Well, let’s take care of that. That’s the actual root of the root of the root. That’s overall, I was looking for, what’s the level. That was the deepest strata that we can go to, so that when we address it, everything above it, balances out. You see this all the time, I’m sure of it. The body wants to be even, it wants to be at peace, it wants to heal and it knows how to do so. It does. If you take out the things that it’s fighting against and you replenish what your body needs to be able to function efficiently, it’ll do the rest on its own. It will. Do you see that when you’re working with people? I do. I see that all the time and I’m really glad you brought up that point of, the root issue.[00:24:00] 

Once you get to that bottom layer of that strata, that’s when everything changes. Because in my work, oftentimes it’s mental habits that we’ve built up on top of some root issue. It’s kind of like putting a thousand band-aids on top of a sliver or something until you get the sliver out, it’s not going to go away, but once you do, the body is going to heal on its own. 

I love that analogy and you’re completely right. You’re absolutely right. And I guess, it’s interesting, but there is mental piece of it. Anybody who’s listening who struggled on any level with your gut, whether it’s heartburn, bloating, just genuine, generally speaking, not knowing what to eat or how to feed your body in a way that it’s really intentional.

Maybe you have constipation or diarrhea, or maybe you just have a lot of pain in your abdomen area when you eat. The level of betrayal that you feel from your body is not to be underestimated. And it does weird things to your head. Literally and just mentally and emotionally, like there’s literally changes [00:25:00] that happens in the brain when there’s changes in the gut.

We already talked about that, but on top of it, the thought that you are so out of control over the one thing that you should have complete control over your body and your mind, it just starts to really create this cycle where you feel totally powerless, out of control. 

Because once a person starts feeling hopeless, then everything goes out the window. Why would you bother trying to do anything if every single thing that you do doesn’t make a difference. I mean, that makes perfect sense. I really, really understand that. And that’s what people say to me all the time. 

Looking at, who you actually tend to work with, is it older folks, younger folks, where does your demographic usually fall? I keep trying to pinpoint this a little better.

And I keep every time I think I have it down, I get like a couple outliers. So I tend to work with, uh, young adults all the way up through… Right now, I think he’s 72, I got a 72 year old gentleman I’m working with. I tend to attract mostly women.

 I can’t help, but think that maybe that’s because it might be an overgeneralization, but I think [00:26:00] typically women are, more likely to ask for help. They also might be more likely to have issues. You know, our bodies typically, you know, carrying a child and birthing children. I have a lot of mothers, we have a little bit more physical trauma that happens to the body by nature of what we’re here to do. And so, we have men and women and all ages kind of in between. Always though, either dealing with some sort of GI complication or some sort of autoimmune disease. Gotcha. That’s good to know. I think it’s really interesting how, in my own practice as well, in most of the time I’m working with people in that, you know, 20 to 40 or 60 age but I’ve worked with a person who was in their eighties a couple of weeks ago, and it’s like, you’re never too old to make the changes that you’ve been planning, I guess is the point.

Yeah, I love my older clients, because they’re just so like, they’ve not given up. They haven’t gotten to that hopeless point. They’re like I’m 72 and I want to live a damn good life, you know? Wonderful, great. Yes, [00:27:00] absolutely. So we talked a lot about different areas of your practice and different areas of, health in general.

What do you think the most important guidelines is to know about our nutrition and about our gut health in general? Uh, God, it’s a really, really awesome question. In fact, I’m doing a really awesome kind of, talk about this, about what do you actually need to know versus what just kind of trendy, you know what I mean?

And I think the really key thing here, first of all, it really can be very simple. And maybe I’ll think in the framework of somebody who doesn’t have any GI issues, you don’t have any problems or all you want to do is really maintain the amazing way that you feel, right? Because some of what I’m going to say, if you’re struggling with something in your gut, you might not be able to tolerate. For example, fiber. Our guidelines for fiber tends to be a little bit lower than what the ideal amount. We really should be getting a minimum of 30 grams of [00:28:00] fiber in our day.

And some people I’m going to give you this is a great picture. Great way to think about it. And for your listeners, just so you guys could think about the reality of this. We think, and I found this before, too. Oh, I get a ton of fiber, I have a salad everyday for lunch. Okay. You’re not wrong. There is fiber and a salad.

When you, you know, those kinds of like bags or plastic packages of green leafy greens, you know what I’m talking about? Read the label the next time that you pick one of those up and find the fiber. And then I want you to go to the serving size and it’ll tell you what the serving sizes.

Most of the time it says something like three, maybe three to five grams of fiber. The serving size is the entire container. So if you’re thinking I need 30 grams of fiber in my day, Oh, I’m having a salad it’s no big deal. All of those greens, you need to eat the entire bag for three grams. So my point in that is that if you would benefit tremendously from simply really taking a close look, take a week or so maybe, and don’t make any changes [00:29:00] at all.

 Just really start looking at what am I actually getting. Or just become really familiar, dial it in. And then you’ll actually write once again, you’ll find that you are here point. You’ll really realize where you are and maybe you don’t need to make a lot of changes.

Maybe you just need to add one tiny little thing, or maybe you are so far off base that you’re lucky you don’t have any GI symptoms and you’re really flirting with the line. Right? So being able to identify that and really, really looking at getting, I think I have a really cool challenge listed on my website. It’s completely free. If anybody, you could go to stratanutrition.com and under resources, it’ll say, I think I called it, feed your gut and it it’ll walk you through how to really acknowledge and pay attention to the fiber that’s in your food. And you can always Google. Anything that doesn’t have a label, just Google. Really paying attention to your fiber’s going to be amazing. And the next thing that I love Doug is telling people, and this is gut health and just general health.

Look at the colors that you are [00:30:00] consuming in your food. If you’re looking at whether you’re shopping online now, or going to the store, if you’re looking at your cart and everything is all green, that’s fine but you need some other colors, get the yellows, get the purples, get the blues, the orange, the yellows, get it all in there. Because if you’re paying attention simply to color, which is easy for all of us.

We all recognize color. We don’t have to read anything. You don’t have to acknowledge a label. You don’t have to count. Right? Look at the color. That’s going to help ensure that you are automatically getting a variety of different types of fiber, a variety of different nutrient profiles. Even when it comes to your protein.

If you eat chicken every single day, you need to do something different, lop it out. if you eat peanut butter all the time, maybe when you finish up your peanut butter, go buy almond butter or vice versa. If you get orange all the time. When you finish up that bag, 5% shields, I’m just making this up. But by doing right, you’re [00:31:00] going to feed the bacteria in your gut different types of fibers which is going to feed different types of bacteria. And that’s really what we’re looking for. We want a really rich diversity of beneficial bacteria in the gut to really help maintain the health of the gut, the health of the immune system, the health of your brain and your mind and your mood.

Those things are absolutely huge. And I have a ton of free resources on my website that you could direct people to, if you felt called to. That will really kind of organize all of that and you could follow it step by step. it’s essential. It’s one of the biggest things that I teach my clients and I really don’t let them get off the hook like it is a non-negotiable. And you know, we’re doing food journals, so I see, I see what you’re doing. And this is important too. I’m not saying that you need to create three different meals every single day of the week. I’ll tell you for me, I make a breakfast and I eat the same thing all week. I’ll make something that I have all day, every day for lunch but the same and then I normally do different dinners [00:32:00] because I get tired. But then the next week, it’s a completely different breakfast and I do that all week. That’s completely different lunch and you’d do that all week. And if you’re looking at your month, If you go back and you look at the different meals that you ate in a month and you got all of your colors in and you’ve got a wide variety of protein choices, a wide variety of whole grains in your diet, okay.

You don’t have to nail it every single meal. There’s no perfect way of doing it. Don’t dial in so much. I’ll do that. I’ll do the dialing in. Your perspective, you got to pull out and look at what you need. What does your life look like right now? Do you have kids? Do you have a family? What’s your job? What’s your sleep schedule? All of that, have a little perspective and help yourself, not get locked into like this is the only way. And if I don’t do it like that, I’m a failure.

Somebody, please tell me a time when that has ever worked for you. I don’t have one. Yup. That is so powerful. I mean, life happens and I often say there’s no perfect time to do anything, to start a diet or to start a [00:33:00] nutrition plan or to lose weights or to, get married or go on a hike or something.

There’s no perfect time to do anything. Life gets in the way and it’s messy sometimes. I think that’s so important. You’re completely right. There is no perfect time. And if you’re waiting, it’s okay, but let’s don’t kid yourself. You’re not waiting for something, you’re waiting for yourself. And that’s important, but just recognize that like what’s the mindset just a little bit and understand that you’re the person that you’re waiting on.

You’re not waiting on your job or waiting for your kids to grow up or waiting to have more time or waiting for more money. The things that you really want and you’re ready to make happen, you’re going to make happen. I know that you see that. That’s probably by the time people get to you, by the time people get to me, they are ready.

If pieces are out the window, they don’t care. This is what people say to me. Every single one of my clients. I don’t care. If you told me to eat dirt for a month, I would eat dirt for a month. I don’t care. Just tell me what to do, because I’m done trying to do it on my own. I didn’t really get a [00:34:00] reflection of why these people are ready. They’re ready and they stood in their own way long enough. Absolutely. I personally call that the point of threshold, the point where they are crossing into whatever it is coming afterwards. I defined it by three things. One, they have to be willing to change. They themselves have to be willing to make that change. Two, they have to say it, the changes after that happens right now, and three, they need to be perfectly willing to accept whatever happens. Like it’s not something you kick the tires for a week and then, uh, I’ll go back to exactly how I was beforehand. You’ve got to be completely willing to make that change. 

And I’m going to add one there too cause I was just talking about this, last month, I think I was talking about this. You have to believe that you can change. You have to believe that it’s possible, which is not always easy when you’ve been told over and over and over again, you have to deal with it. This is just how it’s going to be, there’s nothing else that you can do. That creates a belief system in your own mind. If nobody ever tells you differently, why would you think differently? And then when [00:35:00] somebody does tell you differently, it’s like, if somebody, all of a sudden told me the sky is actually green, I feel like you’re out of your mind. Because it doesn’t make sense. That’s not your truth. And so that’s the other thing, I’m sure that you’re seeing this also. My clients know on some level, sometimes I have to convince them. Sometimes I got to hold their hand. Sometimes I got to shake them a little bit, but they know that it’s possible. Because it’s not a perfect straight line, is it? No type of healing, no type of growth, no type of improvement is a perfect black and white situation. There’s going to be things that you do that don’t budge the needle quite as much as you think they’re going to. There’s going to be stuff that actually makes me feel worse, that we felt were going to help you feel better.

There’s going to be things that we mess. Because you’re a complicated, perfect human being. That’s just how it is. You have to know and trust yourself. And it’s hard to do when you feel so betrayed by your body. You got to get to that point because if you mentally don’t believe that it’s going to happen, I don’t care what I do for you or what I help you do for yourself.

You’re still in your own way. [00:36:00] And that’s where a lot of the mindset stuff that you do really comes into play. Yeah, and that is so powerful touching back on those layers as well. Oftentimes I tell clients we could do a lot of work in a single session and they’re like, I had one person literally asked me, can you just do the hypnosis stuff and fix me. I said, it doesn’t really work like that. This is a process where you have to like, invest in this as well. And, I tell clients like, sometimes getting down, we get to what we think is the root issue and you remove that layer and then you feel fantastic. And then they come back a week later and they say, ah, my life is, broken again.

Like how can we fix this? Like, we are uncovering so many layers oftentimes that we don’t even realize. And it’s a process really. And it’s about, being willing to be there for the entire process is so huge. You’re right. The root of the root of the root and being willing to show up for yourself at every single layer.

I’m going to show up for you at every layer. You’re showing up for them at every layer, but that doesn’t mean anything. They don’t fill up. And I’m saying it’s so like, I’m beating a dead horse, I’m like way up on a pedestal here, [00:37:00] but it’s so important. So if in case you’re listening to this and you have been told over and over and over again that there’s nothing you can do. And I’m talking gut stuff specifically here, but if that’s been the case for you, I’m telling you, it’s probably wrong. There’s probably something that can be done. There’s probably something. And so play around with that. Like how does it feel to consider the reality that maybe there is something you can do? How does it feel to consider the reality that perhaps you can be caught? You know, on some level you deserve to live and what does it feel like to think that it’s completely available to you? Like 100% available to you. It’s just a strange thing to think about, and you could take that same thought and apply it to anything other than health, you know, money, finances, relationships. And sometimes health tend to get put on the back burner with that. But, it’s powerful. The mindset piece of it. It’s kind of a non-negotiable. Yeah, I think that’s so important. And shifting gears just a little bit, what do you believe separates you as Kylie and as Strata Nutrition from the others who are [00:38:00] working in this field?

So I think that when you’re talking about working with any sort of integrative practitioner, you’re probably going to be getting somebody who’s going to be kind of digging, right? We’re all gonna dig. That’s what we do. We like to dig to the root causes. And I have to say the same that you know, how some people will ask us, what’s your superpower?

I really feel like I am really good at allowing people to be vulnerable with me. I can’t tell you the number of times that somebody has told me, that’s the first time I’ve ever said that out loud to anybody. My husband doesn’t even know that. I’ve actually never really acknowledged it to myself and so I’m saying it out loud right now. And it’s so, especially when we’re talking about the gut and bowel movements and things that are kind of you know, people think are gross and don’t want to talk about. All of which I understand, of course. If you can’t feel comfortable to really be vulnerable and open about those things, like, what are we doing here?

I can’t help you if you don’t [00:39:00] feel safe with me. And for me, that’s the thing that I think I’m pretty good at allowing people to feel safe, to be seen. And to feel heard. I feel like I’m really good at holding space for people. Because I know what it feels like to walk into an office, and be treated like the last 10 people who walked in there. No questions being asked.

No care. They just didn’t care. And I refuse to do that to somebody else. Uh, at least intentionally. You know, who knows, perhaps I accidentally, you never know, but I really do feel like I am really great at inviting somebody in and telling them, It just you and me. Tell me, what do you need to get out?

What do you need to talk about here? And not to cross the line into like what a therapist or a counselor does because it’s two separate things, but man, is there some blurry line there when we’re talking about food, there’s so much emotion that goes into it. There’s a lot of overlap.

There’s a lot of talk that has to happen with that stuff because it is very emotional, [00:40:00] very emotional. And I don’t think I’m too mushy gushy, you know, when it’s time to lay it down for people, like I tell them hey, listen, why are we leaving here? Why are you leaving me? Because I didn’t do the same thing.

And you keep telling me, okay, and you’re not doing it. That got no problem really like, hey, we got to have a talk here. Let’s get moving here. I’m holding you accountable. You can do better than that. But I’m also here to listen to the reasons why something might not be working. I should say my clients tell me that that’s been a really big difference for them in some of the other practitioners that they worked with. When you don’t feel seen or heard, how are you going to expect somebody to listen to you? I’m not, if I don’t feel like you give a shit about me, I don’t care what you say.

I’m not going to listen to you. I don’t care. I can’t care. So I guess it’s just a fancy way of saying like, I deeply deeply care. I love my clients. I love them. I care about their wellbeing. I care about their spirits. I care about their kids and the things that are going on in their lives and all of those things.

They’re all part of why this person is sitting in [00:41:00] front of me, struggling with the things that they’re struggling with. How can you ignore all of that stuff? You can’t. The shared experiences that my clients have opened up to me about, I think that’s really what kind of sets my practice apart and me apart from some of their other experiences. It’s such a silly thing to kind of go on and on about, but you guys know those of you who are listening. How many times have you shown up to an appointment where you really were showing up for yourself? There’s not a lot more, that’s going to put you off from trying to show up for yourself and the person in front of you not coming to meet you. Yeah, and oftentimes when I’m talking with, you know, a new person starting their practice as a hypnotist, looking at the business side of things, they’re like, why aren’t things clicking?

And I say, are you actually caring about your clients? Like, I feel like that’s kind of the secret sauce in all of these. It ties everything together. I couldn’t agree more on that. We’re human beings. We want to be loved. We want to be cared for. We want to heal.

You don’t eat well. You can’t heal by yourself. You can’t do very much at anything by yourself. You know it’s not reasonable. And we all have been there, we’ve all tried, we’ve all warmed to ourselves that we were going to [00:42:00] do it. I’m going to do this thing. I’m going to do it. I haven’t done a darn thing in my life that’s worth talking about on my own, not one thing. There’s always been support. There’s always been guidance. There’s always been somebody there looking out for me or a safety net or somebody who care in it, right? That’s what this is about. It’s just as much a part of the healing process. I’m doing a stool sample test and a gluten-free diet, you know. It’s just as much a part. You feel like you are a part of something. You feel like you belong. Whether you belong with one person or with a group of people who are all doing the same thing, I don’t care. That feeling of community. That sense of being invited in to be a part of something.

Absolutely. And so with all of this, um, it looks like we’re running low on time and I just want to, thank you so much for coming on the show. And we mentioned, um, a couple of resources already. I should say you’ve mentioned a couple of resources that, I’d love listeners to check out. Know that all of these links are going to be in the show notes or in the description if you’re watching on YouTube and I’d love to know Kylie, your resources and your [00:43:00] tips or tools. You mentioned that you’ve got a free course or a free class coming up. And if you’re listening to this in real time, you know, when this releases, it’s actually still coming up and you can still sign up for it to be there live, when it happens.

You’re absolutely right. Okay, Doug, thank you so much. So coming up next month. So this is going to be January 18th, 19th, and 20th. So January 2022, it’s like the first big thing we’re doing this year. We’re going to be doing a totally free basically coaching for people. So all you literally have to do is show up and we’re going to be going through a ton of amazing information that’s going to help you create an action plan. And the way that I have it set up is that it’s very interactive. So each day we’re going to go through, I’m going to be teaching you something, and then I’m going to give you two or three or four options. And you’re going to decide which of those options fits you and your scenario best.

And you’re going to sort of circle that or choose that. And we’re going to go through different sections and at the end of each day, you’re going to have its [00:44:00] complete action plan. And I’ll just give a little teaser, the symptoms of heartburn are the same. So typically heartburn, people think, oh my God, I have too much stomach acid. I need to go on like some sort of acid suppressing medication, or PPI. That’s what we’re going to talk about on the 19th. And then, like I had mentioned the 20th, that last time we’re going to be talking all about, we talked about a couple of them today, but we actually have to know, and what is just sort of trendy and not really sticking around. and I think really helping people differentiate between those two things is going to help them. I understand where’s the noise, where do I focus? And so those three days it’s completely free.

It’s meant for you. It is meant to just provide a fresh start to the year, a ton of value and help you understand where are you now. And so I invite all of your listeners to join me. If you feel like it is a good fit for you, if it’s not and you’re thinking of like 14 [00:45:00] family members who carry tums around in their purses or complains about bloating all the time, invite them. Doug would be happy to share the link with you.

You can include it if you would like. just head over to the website, stratanutrition.com has an entire resource section. There’s tons of free stuff from bloating to fiber needs, to elimination diets. I mean there is so much stuff up there, and there’s a great blog as well that you can kind of search for a couple of different things. And honestly, if there’s some questions about things or just information that you want to know more about, let me know. I’m always here to help the people who need this. So if there’s something you want to know more about, shoot me an email and say like, I’m really struggling with this thing. Can you do your section on it? We’d love to get that out to you. So, if you’re listening in mealtime, 18th, 19th, and 20th of January is going to be a chiller opportunity.

Like I said, even if you can’t show up a live, Just register for it. You’ll be sent all of the recordings and you can really develop a plan for yourself coming into this next year. Because you [00:46:00] don’t have to feel the same crummy way that you have been feeling. There’s just so many things that you can be taught and are really not complicated and difficult. And that is what I’m here to help people understand. I’m so excited. It’s going to be such a fun turn out. Absolutely. And I think it’s such great timing. Oftentimes around, you know, middle of January, we’re talking about losing weight and, all this like reduction in our life. But it’s not just that. It’s about taking a better stance on our health.

And I think this is really going to help people, anyone listening, I strongly encourage you to check it out. What’s really impressed me about this conversation is that Kylie cares. it’s very clear. Just from the way you talk and the way that you show up for your clients and for the people listening to this. All of those links are going to be in the show notes, and I really encourage you to check them out. Again Kylie, one more time. Would you mind sharing just your website and maybe your social media handles? Absolutely. Yeah, Doug thank you for saying all that. It’s really nice. And it’s nice to hear somebody else say. It’s one thing to hear yourself say, it sounds a little silly, but I appreciate it. And thank you so much for having me here, it’s really amazing. So, strata nutrition.com. [00:47:00] That’s S T R A T A. Stratanutrition.com is my website. Tons of resources there. On Instagram, it’s @theguttherapist. So the dot gut dot therapist. and we have lots of fun there. Sometimes lots of embarrassing stuff that I post pop up and hopefully some helpful tips from time to time.

So connect with me there. I would love to hear from you and, figure out where you need some more guidance and guide you to the best spots. I also, this is kind of fun. I just put up a new quiz on my website. So if you’re listening and you’re just like, man, I don’t really know. I’m new to this.

I’m just realizing I have an issue with my gut. I don’t really know where I stand and how to get the best help. There is such a fun, little play as you would go ahead and take it and it will help guide you and help you understand. Do you start here? Do you start there? Do you start over there? So that might just help, wipe the windshield clear a little bit for you in case that’s where you’re feeling a little confusion.

Perfect. Excellent. Thank you so much.

What a fantastic conversation I had with Kylie today. I really encourage you [00:48:00] to check out her work because Kylie is the real deal and I’m serious about that. She cares enough to help you change. And I know that I’m going to be recommending people to Kylie to help with their nutrition, and to help make those changes in their life.

So if you gained a nugget of wisdom from this conversation, either from Kylie or from me, or from us both, I encourage you to subscribe. Click the plus sign or click the subscribe button on YouTube, because there are so many more resources that I’m really excited to bring to you. I’ve got some awesome interviews coming up in the future that I know you are not going to want to miss.

Again, subscribe. And if you want to be sure you never miss another episode, go to anywherehypnosis.com/podcast and sign up there because I will deliver all of these episodes straight to your inbox to make sure that you never miss out on this again. Again, my name is Doug sands and I help compulsive and emotional eaters to end the obsession with [00:49:00] food and make peace with it in as little as two sessions. Wherever you are on your health journey, let’s go out and keep making it happen.

I’ll see you guys in the next episode.


On January 18th-20th, 2022, Kylie’s hosting a webinar series to help coach people who struggle with Bloating, Heartburn, and an Unhealthy Gut. 

Maybe you’re new to your GI discomfort, maybe you’ve been suffering for decades.  Either way, you are invited, you are welcome, and you will LEARN!

This is all about putting the knowledge and the power in YOUR hands to deal with YOUR health the way YOU need it.

This course is perfect for people with:


abdominal pain





joint pain

headaches / migraines

brain fog

The best part? This course is absolutely free. 

If you’re listening to this LIVE when the episode launches, here’s the link to reserve your spot: https://mailchi.mp/stratanutrition/the-gut-tribe-free-trainings

And if you’re listening to this in the future, don’t worry! You can access the recording of this course here: https://www.stratanutrition.com/

Website: stratanutrition.com (https://www.stratanutrition.com/)

Instagram: @the.gut.therapist (https://www.instagram.com/the.gut.therapist/)

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